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Light Loads and Brass Case Loads
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Not quite 2" 410's
Prehistoric 410s, the 44 shot cartridge
Shooting the 44 shotgun
plus Reloading the 410
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I am in need of 410(36 guage) 2 inch ammo.Thanks,please
let me know.
Eley and Lyalvale sell them in the UK, see
the cartridges page, you may have to load
your own otherwise
You can find Eley
2" (#6 shot) in the US at the Old Western Scrounger .
http://www.ows-ammunition.com (well you used to be able to, can't see them now !(6/2007))
and in most UK Gunshops
See the L'Unica 2" shells below aswell ..
Looking for a reloading recipe for .410 "light and quiet"
for dispatching pests, and not trouble the neighbors.
Keith
If you are a reloader, already,
this will work well for up to 25 feet.
First, aqquire some 2 1/2 " remington shells, and cut them to 1.5".
a razor blade, and some patience will do well. Next, I use a mec
loader, so I de-prime/resize, then re-prime w/ a 209 winchester
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Next, fill with 12 grains of 2400 alliant/2400 powder. The next
step is what does so well.
You will need some 44 magnum shotshell capsules from "speer" after
they are charged with your preferred shot (8-9 best) simply manually
insert into the .410 hull. You are done.
You can reduce loads if you want, however these work well, no recoil,
some noise, but not even like the "full load" 2 1/2's. I experimented
with old, burned off .410 shells one day, and came up with this.
I am probably the most enthusiastic .410 person out there, I have
so many different .410 options, and anything that entails shotshells
(small bore) I am in to. I have done a lot of loading for shotpistols
44, 357. And am the pround owner of Contender pistols in any shot
configuration they made. Please reply back, so we can keep the .410
board alive.... doug
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This is what I’ve found out from other sites it is untried but I'm in the process of trying it out.
When loading brass cases for use in the .410 bore shotgun, pistol primers should be used. It all has to do with the pressure generated by the loads and the designed impact of the firing pin: pistol primers are designed to ignite with only 6 to 9 pounds of impact, and resist pressures only half that of rifle primers.
A powder charge of 8.0 grains of Herco under ½ to 5/8 ounce of shot will work well. (Ed - We've not tested this load, use at your own risk)
Card wads are needed over the powder and the shot column, and felt wads are needed over the powder wad. These wads can be cut from thick felt or solid cardstock using a home made punch.
A 300 H & H case can be sized in a .44 Special seater die deep enough to create about 3/8" of straight wall on the side of the case. Cut the case at the top of the straight section, then again just above the solid web at the base of the case. Sharpen the outside of the case mouth with a deburring tool, leaving the inside edge straight. Card stock is then placed on a relatively soft but flat surface, like a piece of truck inner tube on a kitchen cutting board, to protect the cutting edge of the home made
wad cutter. Use a rubber hammer on the top of the card cutter, and disks of the correct diameter will be cut perfectly. The card wads should be left "dry," but felt undershot wads should be lubricated to reduce leading in the barrel. There are nice commercial products available for this, or you can soak the felt wads in a 50-50 mix of melted beeswax and Vaseline, then let them cool and dry on paper.
Wad pressure is a controversial subject. Of more importance is seating resistance, where the top wad is sealed firmly enough to enhance pressure buildup before releasing. The old way, when all brass cases were the norm, was to put 8 to 10 drops of waterglass (also called "egg keep") on the top wad. In an emergency, use what you have, such as Elmer's glue, and clean the barrel more often. Good Luck Shaun G.
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hello there I thought you would like to know that
magtech (http://www.magtechammunition.com/store/p14details556.php)
are now producing new brass cases for the .410" / 20bore / 12 bore in
2.5" length and use pistol primers . these appear to be very reasonable in price
in the usa ie 14$ for a box of 25 but god knows what the shipping will be.
cheers ANDY H
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Rocky Mountain custom brass cases http://www.rockymountaincartridge.com/page7.html
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Alternative 410 Shotgun Shells
As a boy growing up in the eastern United States I was limited by
law to hunting with a shotgun. Rifles were prohibited and I even
had to hunt deer with a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with buckshot. I
longed for the day I would become old enough to hunt out West with
high velocity long range rifles, but for the time being I had to
make do. My nemisis was ground hogs (or woodchucks). They made wonderful
targets out in the fields and along the railroad tracks, but I could
never get close enough to bring them down with a shotgun.
I owned a break open, single shot .410 and a 12 gauge shotgun. I
didn't shoot the .410 much because ammo was expensive but I found
a box of .410 rifled slugs in a hardware store and decided to make
a "rifle" out of my .410. My .410 had a small notch on the top of
the receiver which served as a rear sight and had the standard round
front sight. I knew where the ground hogs lived and could sneak
up on them until they got nervous and stood up, then fire a slug
at them. That was some 50 years ago and I can't remember if I ever
hit any but I sure scared a lot of them. In the 1960s I was working
in Missouri where there were lots of grasshoppers in the fields.
I reasoned that "hunting" grasshoppers would be great sport, but
the only reasonable choices for a firearm were a .22 with birdshot
or a .410 shotgun. I didn't have a smoothbore .22, but by then I
had a Stevens .410 double barrel with 3" chambers. I soon learned
that even the short 2 ½" shells were pricey (especially for " 'hopper
hunting") and a bit overpowered. I decided I needed a special 'hopper
load for my .410 with some real fine shot.
I am a reloader and have accumulated all kinds of dies and reloading
tools. I found that 44 Special, 44 Magnum, 44-40 and .444 Marlin
cases all chamber in a .410. 45 Colt cases wouldn't go all the way
into the chamber. I decided to use 44 magnum cases and bought some
oversize cardboard .410 wads (made for brass .410 cases which I
have never found). Using large pistol primers, I loaded 5 grains
of Bullseye under the wad. I filled the rest of the case with #12
shot (that's what they use in .22 birdshot loads) and put a thin
cardboard wad over the top, then sealed it with Elmers glue thinned
with enough water to make it run. It didn't take long to burn up
100 rounds of my 'hopper loads. Light report, no recoil and on the
few occasions I connected on a grasshopper - well they just disappeared
in a puff of debris. A few unfortunate bumble bees also fell prey
to my .410. The only problems I had were that the .44 mag cases
were a little undersized and swelled up in the oversized .410 chamber.
The rims were also smaller than the 410s and had a tendency to slip
over the extractor and jam things up.
I next tried .444 Marlin cases. These are 2 3/16" long, the same
length as a crimped 2 ½" .410 shell. I loaded these with 14.0 grains
of 2400 powder, the same oversized wads and about ½ ounce of #9
shot. I had the equivalent of a 2 ½" field load that cost only pennies
to load. The shells swell a bit and I run them through a .444 resizing
die every third reload or so, but they work great. I use large pistol
primers in these cases also.
My friend's 5 year old received a small cut down .410 for his birthday
and wanted to shoot it. I let him finish up some of the old .44
mag loads I had on hand and he loved them. Mostly pointed it at
trees and shot leaves, but for him it was real shooting! But the
same problem with the cases slipping over the extractor was still
there. He tried one of the .444 Marlin loads, but complained it
"kicked" too much. I revisited the 45 Colt cases and noted that
they would chamber about half way, then get tight. I found that
the 45ACP is a slightly smaller diameter case than the 45 Colt,
so I resized a few in my 45ACP die and found they fit the .410 perfectly
plus the larger rim doesn't slip over the extractor.
My next load for little Jimmy will be the same as in .44 mag cases,
but in the 45 Colt cases, with a little more shot as the case capacity
is slightly larger.
My .410 shotguns get a lot more use with these inexpensive loads.
I haven't found the equivalent of a 3" load yet, but some plastic
shot capsules loaded in the .444 Marlin cases should work.
I must include this warning!! These loads
are experimental and not recommended for all .410 shotguns, especially
older models which may have excess headspace. I don't have
the means to measure chamber pressures but pressures appear to be
nominal as the shot charge is fluid and doesn't offer much resistance
in the barrel. Also, the cardboard wads do not seal the burning
powder perfectly and I am sure there is some blow-by which keeps
the pressures lower than with a plastic wad. However, if you want
perfection buy commercial ammo!!
Ron.
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